A Mormon Responds to My Critique of Mormonism, and I Respond in Kind

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Thank you for your comments, Haley. Perhaps not surprisingly, though, I disagree with everything you said. In fact, what you said basically proved my point—that Mormonism is NOT Christianity.

One of the first things you stated was that Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity, but belief in the Trinity is one of the most crucial tenets of Christianity, and always has been, so by saying you don’t believe in the Trinity, you’ve already, by definition, declared yourself and your fellow Mormons to be NOT Christian.

You also write that “Mormonism is not the only Christian religion that does not believe in the trinity.” First, the terminology you use is incorrect; there’s only one “Christian religion”—Christianity—but maybe you mean “denominations”? Anyway, the more important point is that there is no Christian denomination that disbelieves in the Trinity—because, as I said before, the Trinity is one of the primary doctrines of Christianity, so if you don’t believe in the Trinity, then by definition you’re not a Christian. I don’t know what such a person WOULD be called, but they’re definitely NOT a Christian, just as someone who believes that Christ was a great teacher but not the Son of God is NOT a Christian.

And contrary to what you wrote, the Bible does teach that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one and the same. John 1:1, in describing Jesus as the Word of God, states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” So it’s not that there’s Jesus and there’s also God—two separate entities—but that Jesus IS God. Jesus also spoke a lot about the Holy Spirit, and the things He said identified the Spirit as being a member (the third member) of the being we know as God. For example, in John 4:24 Jesus said, “God is Spirit”; and in John 14:26 Jesus said, “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” Also, Luke 4:1-2 states: “Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, being tempted for forty days by the devil.” And perhaps the best illustration of the Trinity occurs in the story of Jesus’ baptism (from Luke 3:21-22): “When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” These passages show not only that there’s a Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but they are each an expression of the same God—thus, the Trinity. I don’t claim to understand all the details of the Trinity—I don’t think anyone can—but the Bible is clear that the Trinity is real and true.

As for your other points, these are also off-track. You demonstrate a clear lack of knowledge of your own belief system when you say that “Mormons don’t believe the book of Mormon is the true and original gospel.” This is EXACTLY what Mormons believe, and is in fact the very basis for Mormonism: Joseph Smith claimed that the Gospel as originally given to the apostles had become corrupted and that through him God was “restoring” the true church, the true Gospel; thus, the very premise given for Mormonism’s existence was that the Gospel (and by implication the Bible) was corrupted. This is why Mormons put so much emphasis on the Book of Mormon and disbelieve so much of what’s in the Bible.

And speaking of the Bible … Another central tenet of Christianity is that the Bible is the sole (and infallible) Word of God, and that nothing is to be taken from or added to it. In other words, the Bible doesn’t need (to use your word) “support.” It stands on its own. Mormons’ insistence on other books (Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, The Pearl of Great Price, not to mention “continuing revelation”) is further condemning evidence of their un-Christianity.

Some quick responses to your other points:

*You asked me why Jesus would stay in one area; I ask you: If he was going to travel to MULTIPLE areas, why would he stop at two (Israel and North America)? And why would He pick North America, of all places? Especially when there were so many more people in the Middle East region and surrounding locales? Why didn’t he go to the massive Asian population of the Far East? Or to the numerous tribes of Africa?

*The participation of various people groups in polygamy is not the point. The point is, yet again, that Mormon doctrine differs greatly from Christian doctrine: Christianity never approved of polygamy, whereas the very FOUNDER of Mormonism did—and that Mormonism “disavowed” polygamy only when it became apparent to it that polygamy was a turnoff to the general population, and thus would hinder the widespread acceptance of Mormonism (this was pretty much the case with Mormon racism towards blacks, as well).

*The “magic underwear” is not just a reminder, but is believed by Mormons to be a protection against evil. This is silly (not to mention un-Biblical), and furthermore, the very idea of clothing being a reminder of what you are or what you believe is a man-made concept. Jesus never spoke of wearing certain garments; in fact, He made it clear that what He really cares about is what’s on the inside of a person—in their heart. We Christians sometimes wear crosses, but not to remind us of our faith in Christ; instead, it’s an expression of what we believe, a means of communicating our faith to the world. And we certainly don’t ascribe any magical powers to any physical object, but instead trust in God to protect us as He sees fit.

I also note that you failed to respond to a lot of the direct questions I posed about Mormonism: Why do you trust Joseph Smith, he of the terrible track record? And do you really believe that a tribe of ancient Israelites got on a boat and sailed all the way to North America and gave rise to the Native Americans? Do you not find it suspicious that Smith couldn’t produce the golden plates and pink spectacles, despite the fact that he lived only about 150 years ago, when preservation of such items would’ve been quite easy? Do you really believe that God needed those items back? Do you really believe that a sinful person such as you or I could “exalt” himself to Godhood (which, by the way, goes directly and 100% against the Bible’s teaching of salvation by faith and not by works)? Do you really believe that Jesus and Lucifer are “spirit brothers,” and thus on the same level?

I really do appreciate you taking the time to visit my blog, read my post and give me your feedback—I’m sure you had plenty of other things you could’ve been doing. I very much enjoy these discussions, and hope that something good and productive can come of this. Take care.

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7 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. lbtk
    Mar 30, 2012 @ 15:08:22

    Bravo, Jason! You have made good, solid points. I first based my own realization that Mormonism is not Christian when I read “Kingdom of the Cults.” I am total agreement with you. Looking forward to reading more of your posts. Sandy

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  2. Haley
    Mar 30, 2012 @ 18:36:34

    I am not going to reply to each of your points because I do have better things to do. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe t
    And that’s what makes the world go round! 🙂
    But I do have a shocker for you, i am not a Mormon, I just agree with a lot of there ideas but I am in no way affliliated with the Church of Latter Day Saints. I actually attended a Lutheran church and have talked to the pastor because I don’t know that I believe in the trinity because no where does it say god is the father son and holy spirit all in one. And that is fine. The basis for Christianity is recognizing that Jesus Christ is our savior not necessarily the trinity.

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  3. Haley
    Mar 30, 2012 @ 18:38:29

    Sorry for the typos! Touch screens suck!

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  4. Kali Kay
    Mar 30, 2012 @ 23:34:56

    The basis for Christianity is believing that Jesus Christ is the Only son of God and that through his death and resurrection we are saved by God’s grace and forgiven of our sins. To be a Christian you have to have a personal relationship with Jesus and be filled with his spirit and live in the way God wants you to live. You cannot be a Christian and believe pieces of all religions are correct. Just believing in Jesus doesn’t make you a Christian, even Satan believes in Jesus. To be a Christian you must believe what the Bible says to be true and any religion that teaches things other than the Bible are not Christian. The Bible is very specific about who can and cannot be called Christian.

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  5. Kali Kay
    Mar 31, 2012 @ 00:03:31

    1 John 5:7 states “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” The Holy Trinity. Can’t be much clearer than that.

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  6. Jennifer Shafer
    May 12, 2015 @ 16:29:36

    here are some Bible references to back up what you are saying. (I have been studying Mormonism vs Christianity for only a couple of weeks now, but these scriptures jumped into my mind so I thought I would share. )1. Galatians 1:8 says if anyone tries to give you another gospel than what we [the apostles] have taught you then let him be cursed. 2. Mathew 15:24 tells why Jesus was sent to Israel ONLY. it says it very plainly. no mistakes. 3. in reference to the “ordinances” or temple work that is required to get to the highest heaven and exalt oneself, Mathew 15:9 says Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

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